Tuesday, July 13, 2010

Outspoken Interviews: Marilyn Johnson

I hope you'll take a few minutes to read through this chatty Q&A with Marilyn Johnson, champion to librarians everywhere and super-author of This Book is Overdue! How Librarians and Cybrarians Can Save Us All. It's a great, noteworthy book, and Marilyn Johnson offers some wonderful insights.

Andi: You introduce a slew—a cornucopia—of great librarians in this book. I thoroughly enjoyed each and every chapter. Were there any nuggets of information you found interesting or librarians you found fascinating but had to leave out in the editing process? Can you tell us about any of them?

Marilyn: Goodness, yes. I wish I could have written about some of the great libraries in the Midwest -- Topeka and Shawnee County, or the Schaumberg (Ill.) system, or one of the award-winning libraries in Ohio. Stephanie Sarnoff, who heads Schaumberg, pointed out that the Midwest libraries have embraced the culture of convenience in a way that puts the East to shame. In Schaumberg, you could check out material with a card from any library in the country; you could check out a librarian for an hour; you could pick up books and DVDs at the drive-through window.

I'm sorry I couldn't figure out a way to report more of my conversations with Joe Sanchez, who now teaches at Rutgers; he has a great grasp of digital media and its possibilities, and a wonderful imagination. He also told me to go to SXSW, where so many things happen first.

And I'm sorry I had to limit the book to American librarians, because I had two wonderful sources in the U.K., Rory McLeod and Sheila Webber, who spent many hours sharing their work…. those are just for starters. Actually, I could have written another whole book or two.

Andi: Did you read or do preliminary research to prepare to write this book before you started meeting and interacting with librarians in person? Are there other librarian-loving books you can recommend? Bookish people need to know these things.

Marilyn: I read Revolting Librarians from 1972 and Revolting Librarians Redux from 2003. I read Quiet Please: dispatches from a public librarian. The Time Traveler's Wife. The title story in Alice Munro's collection Carried Away. Ian Sansome's bookmobile novels were fun. Mainly, though, I read online. Blogs written by librarians were a rich source of information and attitudes, and an introduction to a cast of characters who proved to be excellent and articulate librarians and technical adventurers. I got my RSS feed going and began to follow some of these people; I got on a couple listservs; I read Library Journal and its blogs, American Libraries, Resource Shelf, LIS News. I'm hooked now.

Andi: One of the parts I love most about This Book is Overdue! is that you involve yourself in the stories. For anyone who hasn’t read: you not only chronicle the work of the librarians but you include your discovery process as you meet and interact with them (in person and virtually). I personally have a hard time believing in pure objectivity in any arena and giggle when an author claims to be totally objective. You personalized the librarians and the changes in the library and information science field by including yourself. How did you make the choice to write the book this way? Was it a conscious choice or is it a style of writing you feel most comfortable with?

Marilyn: I can write in the remote, objective voice, but it's not as much fun. First person can be tricky, but because this was essentially a book about librarians using, modeling, and teaching technology and I was a person who was almost completely clueless technologically, I thought it might add an extra dimension: you could read about these librarians, and you could also see them in action, bringing someone up to speed. I had a challenge in trying to write for people of variable technological sophistication. I wrote about my own experiences as a way to reach those who knew nothing about that stuff and as a way to be useful (I hope) to those who knew way more than I did: here is what it feels like to try to figure out cataloging migrations from the outside, or e-rates, or virtual reality. Mainly, though, I wrote in the first person because it was funnier.

Andi: One of the most fascinating sections of the book, to me, was the portion about librarians in online environments like Second Life. Personally, when I was in library school and first heard about this phenomenon, my computer and I both crashed and burned after touring Second Life for just a little while, and I know you struggled with it in the beginning as well. You’re a presence on Twitter and you have a website, but immersive environments like Second Life seem so much more ‘extreme’ somehow than regular social media. Do you think immersive online environments like Second Life can be sustained for information sharing purposes? Could they be as beneficial to writers as they’ve been to librarians or is it too impractical? And just for fun: Do you ever visit Second Life now that the book is done?

Marilyn: Second Life is being used very successfully by LIS students, especially those in distance programs, but is it too challenging to be of practical use? I don't know. I see people who lose themselves in World of Warcraft or Call of Duty, or get obsessed with online poker or geocaching. These things require skill and time, but people manage. It doesn't seem so challenging when it's fun.

I do visit Second Life, but not nearly as often, and mainly to make presentations or (sadly) go to memorial services. My wonderful source Daisyblue Hefferman died recently, and she is responsible for some of the trippiest experiences I had there: walking into the world of Fahrenheit 451, waltzing with Abraham Lincoln.

Andi: I’m an English professor teaching mostly college writing courses, and one of my favorite sayings in class is, “The librarian is like a ninja.” Meaning of course that our librarian has near-super powers in her ability to hunt down information the students might never find on their own and wrangle it for all its worth. Her knowledge and ability to traverse the online and print world is staggering. I would love for you to make your own analogy.

A librarian is like a __________.

Marilyn: Oh, ninja is good!

A librarian is like a consultant, only affordable.

A librarian is like a power tool.

A librarian is like a secret weapon! I do think librarians are like detectives or intelligence operatives-- a little Miss Marple, a little 007.
I also asked Marilyn if she would mind providing names and addresses for blogs she found particularly informative or inspiring. As she notes, you can find many of these linked on the This Book is Overdue! website listed below: 
Marilyn says: There are so many others I love....many referenced on the blogroll page of the website http://www.thisbookisoverdue.com/, but the new blog I'm following is written by David Ferriero. I wrote about him when he was running NYPL's libraries; now he's Archivist of the U.S. and blogging as AOTUS: Collector in Chief: blogs.archives.gov/aotus/

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Thanks so much to Marilyn Johnson! It was a thrill and a pleasure to work with you. 

*Note: the photographs of Marilyn Johnson in this and my previous post were taken by Jennifer May.


  1. Fun interview! A drive through at the library sounds fantastic!

  2. Great interview! I haven't finished the book yet so I had no idea about Second Life. I'm glad that you two included links to other librarians.

  3. Wonderful interview, Andi! (by the way, great new feature). I remember when you first mentioned her book and I still haven't forgotten that I need to read it. I'm making a note of the links.

  4. Great interview! I love the idea of checking out a librarian for an hour - my library has a fantastic and fairly quick question-answering service they do by text, email, or phone, but checking out a whole librarian would be even cooler.

  5. What a great interview with so many links to go and find more interesting information. I've had this book on my list to read for several months but haven't gotten around to it yet.

  6. I've been wanting to read this book every since you reviewed it. I'll echo everyone's thoughts on saying that this was a great interview and one of the ONLY ones that I've been interested in reading. Keep em coming :)

  7. Really was a great interview, Andi :) And Marilyn sounds awesome! Can't wait to read her book now. Looking forward to more of these!

  8. Kathy, I would adore a drive through at the library! The more efficient apprehension of books can only be a good thing. :)

    Vasilly, thank you! You'd better get on to the Second Life chapter. It was one of my very favorites. So informative and so wonderfully bizarre! We got a shout out from The Effing Librarian today. All of these links are going into my feed reader today.

    Iliana, thank you! I hope I can do author interviews proud. My goal is not to suck at it as I'm certain I have in the past. Hope you can get to the book soon! It's really informative and inspiring.

    Jenny, I love that idea, too! One of the things I was fascinated with in library school was virtual reference (I really need to go back). I did an intership answering questions via instant message, and it was pretty challenging at times. Glad to see that your library does that as well.

    Kathleen, I hope you can get to it soon. It's really informative and eye-opening. Many parts were very uplifting and some were very sad since libraries are so often de-valued in our society.

    LOL, thanks, Sam! You're making me think I'm doing a good job. The whole goal is not to suck at being an interviewer anymore, and bring some of these awesome books and authors to more readers. This is truly one of my faves for the year, and I want to shout its praises from the rooftops.

    Thanks, Chris. Wait 'til you hear that my next interview is Lucy Knisley! Oops, did I just let it slip?

  9. OMG Andi!! That's so effing awesome :D I haven't read French Milk yet, but I have to read it like...NOW! I'm so happy for you and I'm waiting on baited hook now! You're my idol :)

  10. LOL, Chris! I re-read it in a day, so it's a really quick, fun read.

  11. What a great interview, Andi and Marilyn! You've piqued my interest in this book even more. I enjoy getting to know the low down behind the book. It's always so interesting.

    This is a great new feature, Andi, and I look forward to future posts.

  12. Great interview. I'm going to have to read this book!

    Yay for librarians ( I loved them even before I became one!)

  13. Loved the book and loved the interview! They were both a lotta fun to read.


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